Sheik unofficial official moveset idea thread

[astupidpenguin]

Dump concepts for OP Sheik




Up B- vanish explosion is rest



netural B- the needles spike with set knockback similar to shine



side B- deals absurd amounts of damage, otherwise unchanged



ftilt-set knockback



upsmash-sweetspot has rest knockback, sourspot deals laughable damage+ set low knockback to make it higher risk/reward





down throw- speed up the animation, higher initial KB with less KB scaling, making it more usefull against fastfallers, but making the chaingrab last longer on middleweights, and making downthrow -> fair easier to do on lightweights at higher percents



fair- angle without DI equivilant to the current angle with the worst possible DI, knockback equivilant to the strong knee



bair- late hit has strong knockback outward and up, making it good for stage spikes





other things that may or may not be possible,

walljumping refreshes doublejump
upb is walljump cancelable

[FedoraTheExplorer]

I just wanna see brawl- vanish, otherwise do whatever

[Dronik]

Jan 13, 2015 3:44:08 GMT astupidpenguin said:

Dump concepts for OP Sheik




Up B- vanish explosion is rest

Great idea, she may actually recover now

netural B- the needles spike with set knockback similar to shine

That's going to be hell to be off-stage against

side B- deals absurd amounts of damage, otherwise unchanged

I barely use it, no comment, maybe add a bit of forward movement so she can recover/approach

Also, possibly less ending lag to chain into other moves? 

ftilt-set knockback

You mean to the point of sm4sh-esque spam?

upsmash-sweetspot has rest knockback, sourspot deals laughable damage+ set low knockback to make it higher risk/reward

I think it's pretty strong already, but whatever floats your boat
down throw- speed up the animation, higher initial KB with less KB scaling, making it more usefull against fastfallers, but making the chaingrab last longer on middleweights, and making downthrow -> fair easier to do on lightweights at higher percents

Great idea, I support

fair- angle without DI equivilant to the current angle with the worst possible DI, knockback equivilant to the strong knee

Knee part is good, maybe a bit less knockback scaling though, since it doesn't need to sweetspot

bair- late hit has strong knockback outward and up, making it good for stage spikes

Yeah, late hit would be good since it'd be awkward if it goes up right away due to the animation


other things that may or may not be possible,

walljumping refreshes doublejump
Situational, so I don't see why not
upb is walljump cancelable

[FedoraTheExplorer]

I can see chain becoming moderately useful if it came out faster and could be jump cancelled.

[Doqtor Kirby]

might as well do this too while I'm at it

[Lucas]

oh and 3 jumps too

[FedoraTheExplorer]

Why 3 jumps? Doesnt make much sense logically.

At least falco's jumps had some logical basis seeing as he was a bird.

[scrumpy]

Sheik doesn't need three jumps. Really, she's already so close to broken that not way too much will need to be changed.

Yeah, she'll get a bunch of changes and stuff, but three jumps seems both too good and too arbitrary.

[420scrublord]

dthrow has fixed kb for unlimited chaingrabs

[Doqtor Kirby]

Jan 27, 2015 21:18:29 GMT 420scrublord said:

dthrow has fixed kb for unlimited chaingrabs

No.

[kushreality]

just make side b better and she'd be fine

the downthrow kb stuff sounds good though

maybe make upthrow not shit?

[scrumpy]

Jan 27, 2015 21:18:29 GMT 420scrublord said:

dthrow has fixed kb for unlimited chaingrabs

Jan 14, 2015 13:48:59 GMT scrumpy said:

• Imagine playing against your buffs before suggesting them. If it sounds horrible, it probably isn't a good idea. There is no reason to

[a]

why would you give a character infinite chaingrabs

yeah have fun playin against that bullshit

sheik is borderline retarded as it is tbh

[articanus]

As a Marth main in melee I don't want to suggest things for this character, however I will but I ask that we do NOT attach a hitbox to the 2nd explosion of sheik's up B. It's not abusable offensively, it just makes edgeguarding more difficult. This takes the brokenness out of the hands of the user and overall creates an "annoyance" more than actually increasing the strength of the character, much less creating depth for her playstyle.

Her needles should do more damage in general, especially to shields. Maybe if you hit with a full set the final needle has some knockback attached or something.

Make Sheik's nair one frame faster. It's already faster than grabs OoS, maybe just make it one frame lmao.

I don't like the idea of ftilt having set knockback, but you know what would be a great(and terrible) move to give set knockback to? Her fair. I think it would make her broken but actually makes her frustrating neutral sequences against certain characters at lower percents actually worse but improves her comboing / gimping game(in my head, I would have to play it / vs it).

To compensate give the initial hit on her nair more melee - fair properties with the semi spike and whatnot; can we set a move to be able to autocancel even if it has a hitbox? If it is, I would make it so a perfect SHFFLC nair would auto-cancel. Give the weak nair some cool and potentially janky properties, either make it really weak or make it a stronger hit of melee's initial nair.

Bair is retarded, maybe give it a tipper with a darkness effect. Why? Because fuck it, that's why.

Have weak uair pull people down. Brawl- style. You can get cool and swag combos and it flows surprisingly well with her kit.

Each down smash hit should deal more damage so CCing it feels as bad as melee peach... I'm done suggesting things for this character.

[articanus]

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