Best Aerial Game in Melee?

[theganontrain]

Just wondering what everyone thinks.
Remember, it's ALL aerials included, so nair, fair, bair, uair and dair.
It's also based on their overal usefulness
My personals are:
1. Falcon
2. Ganon (he is entirely based on edgeguarding and all his aerials are stupid good)
3. Luigi
4. Sheik
5. Falco
5. Fox

[Deleted]

why are people forgetting puff

[Steelix100]

puff only has one aerial

[theganontrain]

Feb 12, 2015 0:59:48 GMT @ttkim000 said:

why are people forgetting puff

Yeah, puff has literally one aerial that is notable for its ability to combo, and that's into itself.

Now let's consider Falcon, a character with probably the best horizontal killer, gimping move and damage racker, all in one, in the game. I mean, sure other stuff kills faster and may have better range but, when you watch a Falcon kill Ganondorf, who has one of the best horizontal endurances in the game. off the side at like 90%, it's just a testament to how good the knee is. It reminds me of G&W's nair or Ganon's stomp, Moves that are absolutely stupid good.

For another argument of similar nature, let's look at the best single move in melee, OVERALL. Most people immediately jump to shine because frame 1, jcable, gimps most recoveries. But, other moves have more utility, like the Knee, tipman, puff's bair, Marth's f-smash, whatever your choice is.

Point of this is, Falcon's aerial game makes the biggest part of his meta, and he's S teir. Sure Puff is higher, but that pretty much constitutes Jigglypuff spacing bairs properly. Falcon's ground game is pretty much limited to Jab, cross, Gentleman, grabs, up throw and down throw, bar the read smash attack.

Falcon uses ALL of his aerials, as apart of combos, finishers, tech chases, gimping, edgeguarding and juggling, name another character who does that. Only Ganondorf, he has a better uair, bair and dair. But his moves don't combo, so he has issues racking up damage in succession.

That's why Falcon's aerial game is better than puff

[scrumpy]

puff doesnt have just one good aerial lol

bair is amazing
fair is good
nair is situational but has its uses
dair is situational but has its uses (better than nair tho)
uair is dumb good and can combo into rest on loads of chars

[theganontrain]

Feb 13, 2015 1:11:56 GMT scrumpy said:

puff doesnt have just one good aerial lol

bair is amazing
fair is good
nair is situational but has its uses
dair is situational but has its uses (better than nair tho)
uair is dumb good and can combo into rest on loads of chars

Yeah, Let's do this 1v1
Nair-Falcon
Fair-Falcon
Dair-Falcon
uair-probably puff, even though Falcon's up air combos into a knee, which is essentially up air>rest. But the up air jiggly kill only works at lower percentage on everyone. It only works at high percentage on ff'ers.
bair-Puff, hands down

[scrumpy]

falcon has good aerials, but that isnt all of what aerial game is about. for example, puff has incredible air movement and has ridiculous walling and gimping power that falcon doesnt have.

[scrumpy]

Now let's consider Falcon, a character with probably the best horizontal killer, gimping move and damage racker, all in one, in the game. I mean, sure other stuff kills faster and may have better range but, when you watch a Falcon kill Ganondorf, who has one of the best horizontal endurances in the game

i main young link, and i can kill ganon at early percents.

also youre overglorifying the knee. falcon does not have very much gimping power. look at shine or pretty much anything sheik or marth has. also, ganon and yoshi have better damage-racking tools. almost everyone also has a fair horizontal killer. check out most fsmashes and lots of bairs.

knee is a good move, but it isnt this godly.

Point of this is, Falcon's aerial game makes the biggest part of his meta, and he's S teir. Sure Puff is higher, but that pretty much constitutes Jigglypuff spacing bairs properly. Falcon's ground game is pretty much limited to Jab, cross, Gentleman, grabs, up throw and down throw, bar the read smash attack.

puffs aerial game makes the biggest part of his meta, and hes better than falcon by far. youre basically saying "lmao look puff only has these bairs" in some sort of effort to justify falcon having a better aerial game. you even each aerial side by side in terms of i dont even know what. puffs aerial game is more than just spacing bairs. sure, its a good tool in neutral, but youre oversimplifying things. puffs ground game is more trash than falcons, and hes far higher on the tier list. i dont see how you could even claim that falcon has a better aerial game. it just isnt true.

Falcon uses ALL of his aerials, as apart of combos, finishers, tech chases, gimping, edgeguarding and juggling, name another character who does that.

fox, falco, marth, sheik, peach, ganondorf, game and watch, pikachu, ice climbers, samus (you main her. you should know this), luigi, mario, dr mario, jigglypuff...

i can go on if you really want

Only Ganondorf, he has a better uair, bair and dair. But his moves don't combo, so he has issues racking up damage in succession.

ganon doesnt need to rack damage in succession because he hits like a truck and has fantastic killing power. sure, its not pretty like falcons, but ganons aerial game is damn good.

That's why Falcon's aerial game is better than puff

and thats where youre wrong

For another argument of similar nature, let's look at the best single move in melee, OVERALL. Most people immediately jump to shine because frame 1, jcable, gimps most recoveries. But, other moves have more utility, like the Knee, tipman, puff's bair, Marth's f-smash, whatever your choice is.

uh. thats just wrong.

shine is the best move in the game. it has good speed, good integration into play style and really good utility to the point where it works in just about any situation. though the moves you listed are useful, they arent as versatile. im pretty sure there isnt a move that has more utility than the shine.



i just dont see the arguments to this post.

[theganontrain]

Feb 13, 2015 13:29:58 GMT scrumpy said:

Now let's consider Falcon, a character with probably the best horizontal killer, gimping move and damage racker, all in one, in the game. I mean, sure other stuff kills faster and may have better range but, when you watch a Falcon kill Ganondorf, who has one of the best horizontal endurances in the game

i main young link, and i can kill ganon at early percents.

also youre overglorifying the knee. falcon does not have very much gimping power. look at shine or pretty much anything sheik or marth has. also, ganon and yoshi have better damage-racking tools. almost everyone also has a fair horizontal killer. check out most fsmashes and lots of bairs.

knee is a good move, but it isnt this godly.

Point of this is, Falcon's aerial game makes the biggest part of his meta, and he's S teir. Sure Puff is higher, but that pretty much constitutes Jigglypuff spacing bairs properly. Falcon's ground game is pretty much limited to Jab, cross, Gentleman, grabs, up throw and down throw, bar the read smash attack.

puffs aerial game makes the biggest part of his meta, and hes better than falcon by far. youre basically saying "lmao look puff only has these bairs" in some sort of effort to justify falcon having a better aerial game. you even each aerial side by side in terms of i dont even know what. puffs aerial game is more than just spacing bairs. sure, its a good tool in neutral, but youre oversimplifying things. puffs ground game is more trash than falcons, and hes far higher on the tier list. i dont see how you could even claim that falcon has a better aerial game. it just isnt true.

Falcon uses ALL of his aerials, as apart of combos, finishers, tech chases, gimping, edgeguarding and juggling, name another character who does that.

fox, falco, marth, sheik, peach, ganondorf, game and watch, pikachu, ice climbers, samus (you main her. you should know this), luigi, mario, dr mario, jigglypuff...

i can go on if you really want

Only Ganondorf, he has a better uair, bair and dair. But his moves don't combo, so he has issues racking up damage in succession.

ganon doesnt need to rack damage in succession because he hits like a truck and has fantastic killing power. sure, its not pretty like falcons, but ganons aerial game is damn good.

That's why Falcon's aerial game is better than puff

and thats where youre wrong

For another argument of similar nature, let's look at the best single move in melee, OVERALL. Most people immediately jump to shine because frame 1, jcable, gimps most recoveries. But, other moves have more utility, like the Knee, tipman, puff's bair, Marth's f-smash, whatever your choice is.

uh. thats just wrong.

shine is the best move in the game. it has good speed, good integration into play style and really good utility to the point where it works in just about any situation. though the moves you listed are useful, they arent as versatile. im pretty sure there isnt a move that has more utility than the shine.



i just dont see the arguments to this post.

Inb4 drunk me, my b  .

Yeah yeah yeah, I was kinda trolling.

But when I watch a Falcon who's "really feeling it", its so god damn pretty. 

Should probably change the thread name to "Most entertaining aerial game in Melee?" 
Luigi's is pretty funny though,
"HIYAH!!"
"HUHOO"

also, what I meant by "uses all his aerials", I mean they are ALL superb. Yeah, puff has rest, which pretty much overshadows any knee combo. But the knee is just such a statement, even more so that a CC rest out of the blue. Because let's be honest, melee is like 40% tech skill, 60% application and mindgames. 

Also, Samus' up air's uses are pretty darn limited, best I can find is forcing platform tech chases against ffers, following up missed techs with a Dair to bair or charge shot. I GUESS, you can use it to combo into a nair at mid percents Vs everyone, but that's if their DI sucks and they don't SDI out.

So yeah, sorry for trolling a bit there, Falcon's aerial game is not the best, but it is pretty flashy and fun to watch, especially when compared to puffs

[Steelix100]

why does this thread exist lol

[scrumpy]

lol i dunno

[articanus]

Random question; who has aerials that can compare to G+W's?

No one's, that's who. Honestly G+W might have the best air game in melee, but that strength can't facilitate all of his weaknesses.

[thefadedwarrior]

Mr. Game & Watch has insanely good aerials, but the fact that he can't L-cancel some of his attacks makes people forget that. Nair is a good combo move at low percentages as well as a strong finisher, Uair is great for juggling, Dair is a good combo move and (if i remember correctly) a meteor smash, Fair is a great combo move and a pretty good finisher, and Bair, though somewhat situational, is pretty good for combos as well. All of G&W's attacks, including both grounded and airborne, seem to string together in endless combos.

[Thor]

If GnW could L-cancel everything he'd be higher in the mid-tiers [higher in B tier]. If he had a properly coded shield + properly coded aerials he might be low A tier.

Good thing we can fix that here!